What is the moral difference between abortion and miscarriage?
December 162009
Considering that there are many ways to cause a miscarriage, some intentional, some unintentional, if abortion is to be thought immoral — and this is not my opinion — what is the moral status of a miscarriage when the mother or those around her could potentially be the cause for the miscarriage?
I think if people knew how comparable a fertilised egg is to a parasite – going as far as to trick the mother’s immune system into ignoring it and convincing the body that it is the most important part, to be maintained no matter the cost to the mother – they would keep their nose out of it and consider it entirely her decision if she chooses to terminate.
At this point you have to disregard what your instincts tell you to do – ie: protect the thing that looks like a baby – and pay more attention to your own needs. Is this thing incubating inside you going to effect your life? Is the process of incubation what you want?
I don’t understand why "pro-life" proponents seem to think that a woman’s body is forfeight the instant you becomes host to potential offspring.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
A miscarriage ceases to be a miscarriage once it is intentional, imo.
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December 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Well, caffeine greatly increases the rate of miscarriage.
Obviously we must bar all pregnant or possible pregnant women from drinking coffee.
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December 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Miscarriage = spontaneous abortion
An intentional miscarriage is morally equivalent to any other form of abortion.
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December 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Morally, it’s none of your business.
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December 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I guess it would be the same as the difference between murder and involuntary manslaughter.
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December 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I think there’s something about the physical act of reaching into a woman’s womb and pulling her fetus out of her that is the moral dilemma.
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December 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
They ain’t no difference if’n you gets caught.
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December 16th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
The proper medical term for a miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". See, God is an abortionist!
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December 16th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
choice verses NO choice. One is murder, one isn’t.
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December 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I’d be more inclined to say abortion and intentional miscarriage were one of the same.
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December 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
it is the decision to abort so if you intentionally coarse the miscarriage its the same just as bad.
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December 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Intentional death, whether from miscarriage or abortion, is still murder.
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December 16th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
if it is done to cause the baby to miscarry it is immoral
if a miscarry happens naturally with no help from a person on purpose it is not immoral.
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December 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
If someone intentionally tries to cause a miscarriage, that is, to me, pretty much the same as seeking an abortion.
Usually a miscarriage is God’s way of deciding, something is wrong here and then God decides to end the pregnancy.
God is the only One Who has the right to end a pregnancy or to end a life. He is the giver of life and He has the right, He is the Only One Who has the right to end life.
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December 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
A miscarriage is something that you don’t have control over. The fetus could be deformed or the woman’s body cannot hold it. An abortion is a choice.
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December 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
miscarriage is not murder….
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December 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
it’s who you blame
an abortion is blamed on humans
a miscarriage is blamed on god
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December 16th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
In the Law of God the Jealous husband was to take his wife to the priest and have him force her to drink a toxic substance that if she doesn’t miscarry then she is innocent of adultery. THE HECK WITH THE FETUS…!!!
There is a strong religious movement in this country biasing the direction that people ought to take on social issues regardless of what the Bible teaches on abortion, the fetus, stem cells and same sex marriages!!!
Saint Paul was preaching that “in Adam” ALL DIE and go to Hell. Christians adapted this theology that all humans automatically go to Hell as soon as they cross the age of accountability unless they “receive Jesus” in their heart. If they die before then, they go to Heaven. This doctrine brings up an interesting point in the PRO-CHOICE battle that hardly any Christian at large cares to think about. According to them the soul of a fetus that is aborted or a stem cell that dies goes automatically to Heaven! But if left alone the fetus or stem cell will eventually give birth to a person who can grow past the age of accountability and go to Hell for failure to “receive Jesus”! Most grown up people REJECT THE CLAIMS OF Jesus or simply follow the wrong brand of the Christian faith so they are never “saved” and go to Hell to be tormented for ever and ever for the amusement of Jesus aka “The LAMB” and the “saved” Christians who made to heaven…! (Rev. 14:10-11)
According to the Bible, the abortion clinics are sending more souls to HEAVEN to be with Jesus than ALL THE CHRISTIAN missionaries and preachers of every Christian brand put together…!!! Today, Christians believe that Jesus loves the little children of the world, but to be consistent with their own theology they are including the fetuses and stem cells! Now the Christians claim that life begins at conception with full US constitutional rights! Jesus says that THEIRS is the Kingdom of Heaven, but the Pro-lifers are denying Jesus this pleasure! The absurdity of the Christian religion knows no limit. Theologically speaking, Christians are sending more people to HELL than if they permitted necessary abortions! The evil and the unnecessary pain and suffering that the Christians impose on the ladies in need of an abortion is consistent with the Bible God’s sadistic character!
The Bible God couldn’t care less about the fetuses! In fact, BY LAW OF GOD the fetus needs to be destroyed together with the promiscuous or “sinful” woman who resulted pregnant because of being raped or having had sex with anybody other than her husband! Only the lucky Virgin Mary got away letting a perfect stranger to take her for a pregnancy session with God the Holy Ghost! BTW, in the OT days one of the ancestor ladies of Jesus “played the harlot” with her father in law! A few months later it was discovered that she was pregnant and Judah gave order to have her BURNED ALIVE on the spot! Never mind the fetus! She survived only because of her shrewdness. THERE IS NOTHING AGAINST THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF A “SINFUL” WOMAN AND ANY FETUS IN HER WOMB in the Law of God! (Gen 38:24)
The Bible God demands that a jealous husband get an induced abortion on his pregnant wife ANYTIME he suspects that she has been impregnated by another man (Num 5:11-31). Forcing a miscarriage on a woman just for the heck of it is a depravity that you can ONLY read in the Bible for some good Christian amusement…! And GOD wants the husband to do this test on his wife ANYTIME he suspects that her pregnancy is not related to him! If the woman survives the toxic potion that she is drinking she is innocent, otherwise she will get sick and abort the fetus (Praise the LORD!). Not even witchcraft is this bad! The Bible writers made this male chauvinistic rule to show that God can’t care less about the fetus! If Saint Joseph would have taken the Blessed Virgin Mary to the High Priest to perform the cheater’s test on her we wouldn’t have Christianity today, but the Holy Sucker didn’t and so we are stuck with Christianity!
The Bible God is a primitive sadistic killer worse than any of the Heathen Gods in history. He wants anybody killed for any trivial matter! Every time that there is a woman to be stoned to death for adultery or for being promiscuous no thought is ever given in the whole Bible about the great possibility that the lady may be pregnant. As you probably know, they wore no condoms in those days! Regardless of how late is the pregnancy, God ALWAYS wants the fetus destroyed inside of the womb of the pregnant woman when she is burned alive or stoned to death! Sometimes the pregnancy is discovered several months after the sexual act took place like in the case of the Virgin Mary. So only the lady with the fetus inside her womb is present to be stoned to death! NO THOUGHT IS EVER GIVEN IN THE BIBLE ABOUT SAVING THE FETUS FOR ANYTHING!!! God wants the brides that are not virgin on their wedding day to be stoned to death, too! The parents of the bride must ALWAYS keep the last period tampon at hand especially during the wedding day otherwise the wedding party might turn into a pregnant Bride stoning party! Christianity is so stupid no to read the Bible for themselves. They rather let the freeloader smiley specially trained preachers do it for them!
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (NIV) If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found* (*UNLIKE IN THE SECULAR USA, IN THE BIBLE A PERSON IS GUILTY SINNER UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!), she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
If no evidence of virginity is readily available on the wedding day the bride is assumed to be pregnant and God will be very pleased to see that the promiscuous bride with the fetus inside her womb be stoned to death that very day of the wedding! This is probably the case of Sarah Palin! Her first son was born 8 months after her eloping and marriage to Todd… (Newsweek page 31 – 9/15/08). The same is true of her daughter Bristol. She is single and promiscuously pregnant! In Bible times Bristol would be stoned to death “to purge the evil” from among us in this ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!! BUT GOD CAN’T CARE LESS ABOUT THEIR FETUSES!!! In fact, there is no death sentence ever handed down for abortionists in the whole Bible.
Today, Christian bigotry makes the rules as they play the political game of demonstrating how powerful and important Christianity is in our society imposing their views on how the Bible teaches that the role of the fetus is OTHER THAN TO BRING A NEW LIFE INTO THE WORLD AT BIRTH!!! GOD CAN’T CARE LESS ABOUT FETUSES!!! It is natural for them to move about in the womb as it develops. It doesn’t mean that they are full of the Holy Ghost! But when caught God wants the promiscuous and adulteress ladies to be stoned to death regardless of whether they are pregnant with a fetus full of the Holy Ghost or not…!!!
The Bible God couldn’t care less about infants, either!
Psalm 137:8-9 – O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and DASHES them against the rocks.
The enemies of God ought to be killed in their infancy when it is easier to get rid of them (Amen?) So abortion is not remotely that bad. In fact, IT IS VERY HUMANE…!!! Notice “humane” versus “Godly.” Godly requires that the fetus be born into a child before he/she can be dashed to pieces as an infant! Christianity ought to upgrade their dogmas on abortion to a more enlightened level.
Isaiah 13:16 (KJV) Their* (*God’s chosen people’s) little ones also will be DASHED TO PIECES before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished…. (How many sexually starved godly women would wish to be ravished? But the children must be DASHED TO PIECES! – not aborted as a fetus, but dashed to pieces as an infant! God couldn’t care less even about the children of his chosen people, but he provides that his chosen women be ravished to their delight!)
The adulterous woman that was brought to Jesus for stoning was found to be guilty as charged and Jesus asked anyone without a sin to cast the first stone! Just think of it for a moment, she could have been POSITIVELY pregnant! Jesus probably had a stone in his hand already because he claimed to be without a sin! When the Jews that brought the woman to “test” Jesus saw that the issue was getting too gross they left! The terrified adulterous lady may have been pregnant too, but WHO CARES ABOUT HER FETUS? She had to be stoned to death along with the developing fetus! Christianity today is as evil as in the Dark Ages or in Colonial American when the Fundamentalist Evangelicals used to hang witches from tree branches with a rope tied around their neck in this ONE NATION UNDER GOD. No thought was ever given to the possibility that any of them witches may have been pregnant, either! Christianity is what the preachers and the Clergy make of it! The bible writers invented the God character according to their wanking fantasies that don’t make any sense except to control low IQ religious people! Although, they were honest enough quoting Jesus saying, “unless you become gullible as a little child you have no part with me!” So good luck to all of us…!!!
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December 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
If anyone intentionally causes the death of a baby,they will
answer to God himself.
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December 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Abortion- intentional
Miscarraige- accidental
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December 16th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Once it’s intentional, it’s abortion. Not medically, but morally and ethically. If it happened on it’s own-with no outside influences, it is a sad, sad circumstance. Once it’s intentional, Karma will come back around and kick your butt. You know if what you did was wrong.
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December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
my sister was having triples and the doctor caused her to have miscarriage because he shoved the scanner thing really hard into her and that night she started bleeding real bad it was a miscarriage caused by the doctor so that makes him a murder
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December 16th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
There is no "moral" aspect of a natural miscarriage. As its name says, the pregnancy "miscarries"–an 18th century word meaning "to come to an unintended and bad end."
By definition, a miscarriage is not intentional; it happens when the body rejects the fetus for a biological reason or due to trauma such as a bad fall or other accident.
There is no comparison between a voluntary abortion and a natural miscarriage. An "induced miscarriage" Is an abortion.
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December 17th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Abortion is the intentional taking of a baby’s life. Miscarriage is when a woman delivers the baby early because of some type of medical problem not intentional.
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December 17th, 2009 at 12:57 am
The difference between the two is that Abortion is a deliberate act of terminating the pregnancy, however it can be because of circumstances or medical reasons. Whilst a miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy which might have occur by various incidents or circumstances. However, a miscarriage can be classified as an abortion in the event that the damage done to the pregnancy was intentionally done.
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No specific source just a combination of general knowledge.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
I think if people knew how comparable a fertilised egg is to a parasite – going as far as to trick the mother’s immune system into ignoring it and convincing the body that it is the most important part, to be maintained no matter the cost to the mother – they would keep their nose out of it and consider it entirely her decision if she chooses to terminate.
At this point you have to disregard what your instincts tell you to do – ie: protect the thing that looks like a baby – and pay more attention to your own needs. Is this thing incubating inside you going to effect your life? Is the process of incubation what you want?
I don’t understand why "pro-life" proponents seem to think that a woman’s body is forfeight the instant you becomes host to potential offspring.
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December 17th, 2009 at 1:51 am
A miscarriage is something that could not be preventable…An abortion is something that you purposefully end a human beings life…which is also known as murder..
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December 17th, 2009 at 2:33 am
A miscarriage is when the baby dies inside of the womb without the mother knowing it. An abortion is when you are pregnant and you want to get rid of or kill the baby by taking it out while it is very premature.
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December 17th, 2009 at 3:05 am
I would say one is the same as an abortion. While the other is not intention. I my self I’m not against abortion. Because saying its wrong for someone to kill their baby is to those who do end up pregnant Because of rape it’s like telling them that have to relive that over because they have to have the baby of be accused of murder.
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December 17th, 2009 at 3:10 am
A miscarriage is that the baby dies in the mother’s womb internally, not purposely forcing it.
An abortion is when a the mother kills a baby in her womb purposely, by taking pharmeuticals.
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