How many women die of a legal abortion vs. those who die from a wanted pregnancy?

December 292009

If it’s true that lets say Obama wants to protect the health of the mother with an abortion, where are the stats to show us how dangerous it is to have an abortion? Apparently many women have died and suffer much emotional trauma even years later. One way to debunk this "health of the mother" theory is to show that abortions could be the source of much negative and riskful health. Not to mention that it is particularly "unhealthy" to an unborn child to end their life.

You are 12x more likely to die due to complications in childbirth.

The bottom line is that when an abortion has been conducted; legally, safely, professionally and providing there are no complications arising from it, there is no significant risk to the future fertility of the woman involved. A properly performed abortion will not affect the woman’s fertility.
http://www.fertilityfacts.org/abortion-its-impact-female-fertility

APA TASK FORCE FINDS SINGLE ABORTION NOT A THREAT TO WOMEN’S MENTAL HEALTH
There is no credible evidence that a single elective abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in and of itself causes mental health problems for adult women, according to a draft report released Tuesday by a task force of the American Psychological Association.
http://www.apa.org/releases/abortion-report.html

Plenty of women don’t regret their abortion and plenty of them are not traumatized by them either. But you wouldn’t hear about them would you? No, they get on with their lives, have careers and families.
ImNotSorry.net

~Pro-Choice Momma; Have had an abortion <no regrets> and I have a 12 month old daughter <no regrets>. I believe in protecting my daughter’s choice.

Abortion: There is a Consensus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsSQiazUvgo

Why is abortion legal, but capital punishment is looked down upon?

December 112009

I don’t want religious points of views, I don’t want fanatics.

I am simply asking why abortion is legal, while Capital Punishment is considered as evil and looked down upon?

I don’t want political party views either, I just want a logical explanation/answer.

Interesting question. There is no inherent contradiction in being pro-choice and against capital punishment, OR vice-versa. The abortion issue generally comes down to where you believe that life begins. Pro-lifers think life begins at conception (and therefore, logically, abortion is murder), whereas pro-choicers believe life begins at birth. Both sides will dazzle you with scientific studies and convincing evidence to support their case, but there simply is no way to “prove” either side – it boils down to what you BELIEVE.

The death penalty is a completely unrelated issue. I supported capital punishment for a long time, but the more I learned about it, the more I came to oppose it. In the end, several factors changed my mind:

1. By far the most compelling is this: Sometimes the legal system gets it wrong. In the last 35 years in the U.S., over 130 people have been released from death row because they were exonerated by DNA and other evidence. These are ALL people who were found guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Unfortunately, DNA evidence is not available in most homicide cases. So, as long as the death penalty is in place, you are pretty much GUARANTEED to occasionally execute an innocent person.

[To those who say that the death penalty kills only those who “deserve it” – please read the above paragraph again.]

2. Cost: Because of higher pre-trial expenses, longer trials, jury sequestration, extra expenses associated with prosecuting & defending a DP case, and the appeals process (which is necessary – see reason #1), it costs taxpayers MUCH more to execute prisoners than to imprison them for life. This disparity becomes even greater when you consider the time value of money – most of the costs of capital punishment are up-front, occurring before and during the trial itself, whereas most of the costs of life imprisonment are spread over the term of incarceration (usually 30-40 years).

3. It is not a deterrent. In fact, violent crime rates are consistently HIGHER in death penalty jurisdictions. This may seem counterintuitive, and there are many theories about why this is (Ted Bundy craved the publicity, so he chose Florida – the most active execution state at the time – to carry out his final murder spree). It is probably due, at least in part, to the high cost (see #2) – every extra dollar spent on capital punishment is one that’s NOT going to police departments, drug treatment programs, education, and other government services that help prevent crime. Personally, I think it also has to do with the hypocrisy of taking a stand against murder…by killing people. The government fosters a culture of violence by saying, ‘do as I say, not as I do.’

4. It is inconsistently and arbitrarily applied. Factors that should be irrelevant (geography, race of the victim, poor representation, etc.) are all too often the determining factors in whether someone gets death versus life in prison.

5. There’s also an argument to be made that death is too good for the worst criminals. Let them wake up and go to bed every day of their lives in a prison cell, and think about the freedom they DON’T have, until they rot of old age. When Ted Bundy was finally arrested in 1978, he told the police officer, “I wish you had killed me.” Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the architect of the 9/11 attacks) would love nothing better than to be put to death. In his words, "I have been looking to be a martyr [for a] long time."

6. Most governments are supposed to be secular, but for those who invoke Christian law in this debate, you can find arguments both for AND against the death penalty in the Bible. The New Testament (starring Jesus) is primarily ANTI-death penalty. For example, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus praises mercy (Matthew 5:7) and rejects “an eye for an eye” (Matthew 5:38-39). James 4:12 says that GOD is the only one who can take a life in the name of justice. In John 8:7, Jesus himself says, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

If, in some states, killing a pregnant woman is a double murder, then how can abortion be legal in that state?

September 232009

Is it only considered a double murder if the fetus was old enough for an abortion to be illegal?

If not, that seems like a hypocritical law.

Obviously, it should be illegal to kill someone else’s fetus against their will. But if it was done at a time when an abortion would have been legal, doesn’t it seem like the charge should be something other than murder?

Calling it a murder seems like it gives anti-abortion activists a precedent to pass anti-abortion laws.

My understanding is that it is murder if the "baby" would be viable out of womb only….that is the only way it is a baby…. a fetus is not considered murder..

I am pro choice… but I prefer no abortions… wish most people understood the difference…

Why is abortion legal in the US?

September 132009

I am pretty unbiased, but I don’t understand why abortion is legal and not murder. The unborn baby doesn’t undergo any drastic transformation that turns it from nothing to something, it grows at a steady, consistent pace. Does the baby only turn human because it comes out of the vagina? Its not like that happens, it is the same inside the mother as outside.

Because the fetus is reliant on the mother. Making it the mothers choice whether or not to progress with the pregnancy.

Question for people who favor legal abortion?

September 52009

Do you feel that abortion should be legal only in the first trimester (as some second-trimester fetuses are viable outside the mother), or in both the first and second trimesters? And are there any of you who feel third trimester abortions should be legal?

Please give reasons for your answer.

Thank you,
Mike

I would be happy to limit abortions to the first trimester. This gives women enough time to decide, and christians may accept the fetus as not being human yet.

Pre-birth abortions I find horrific.

Atheist

Are Republicans candidates more electable if abortion remains legal?

September 32009

If Roe v. Wade was overturned, wouldn’t the GOP lose many single-issue voters?

If they couldn’t do anything about the legal status of abortion with control of all three branches of government, will it ever happen?

Roe v Wade will likely never be overturned, the majority of Americans are pro-choice. I don’t know what they would do if it were though, it’s what they rest so much of their platform on. I’m still trying to figure out how many of those one issue voters are going to just stay home if Giuliani is the nominee. Or even Thompson, who managed to alienate half of the evangelicals his first week out after declaring by saying he rarely goes to church, plus his declarations from 1994 in which he opined that women should have the choice. What ever will they do? Romney’s a flip flopper if there ever was one when it comes to abortion. Those one issue voters may be absent any way you look at this in ‘08.

Why does NOW fight for legal abortion and NOT for legal prostitution as pro-choice?

August 282009

Really…

If the pro-choice arguement is it’s a woman’s body, does this apply more so to two consenting adults? Or does this give evidence that it isn’t about being pro-choice, but rather being pro-abortion? Your thoughts please.
Goldenrae9 (below) How is giving a woman the right to choose to charge for her company exploitation?

They should. As a pro-choice person I support legalized prostitution because I truly believe a person can do whatever they want with their bodies.

Why does NOW fight for legal abortion and NOT for legal prostitution as pro-choice?

August 262009

Really…

If the pro-choice arguement is it’s a woman’s body, does this apply more so to two consenting adults? Or does this give evidence that it isn’t about being pro-choice, but rather being pro-abortion? Your thoughts please.
Goldenrae9 (below) How is giving a woman the right to choose to charge for her company exploitation?

They should. As a pro-choice person I support legalized prostitution because I truly believe a person can do whatever they want with their bodies.

what power does the government have over abortion.. when is it no longer legal?

August 242009

What control does the United States government have over abortion? Up to how many weeks can a legal abortion be performed?

Under Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the Supreme Court partially affirmed Roe v. Wade by holding that it was still an unconstitutional violation of the XIV amendment for a state to impose strict restrictions on abortion. Planned Parenthood v. Casey may allow a little wiggle room, for example, by allowing states to disallow abortion at the point of viability as opposed to some rigid numerical formulation proposed by the court, however, Planned Parenthood’s website argues, "[i]n DANFORTH, the Supreme Court said, "[I]t is not the proper function of the legislature or the courts to place viability, which essentially is a medical concept, at a specific point in the gestation period … and the determination of whether a particular fetus is viable is, and must be, a matter for the judgment of the responsible attending physician."

So, short answer: It’s up to the dude or dudette who runs the abortion clinic.

Feminists: How would you feel if it was a liberal law for legal abortion if the baby is male?

August 222009

But more strict abortion criteria was upheld when it’s a female fetus?

(Note by liberal law I mean ‘easygoing’)
soulflower – this could be applied to men too. Men make mistakes and we could do a male abortion where we abort all legal responsibilities. But I would never support that tho because I beleive, you make a mistake now you need to live with it. But why can’t women accept it too. I don’t understand. It should go for both sexes.

Only a sick jackass hole would want a liberal law for aborting boys but not girls. That’s the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard! It’s not like there’s 40 times more boys than girls in this country. It sounds like any man who would ask this either has a male persecution complex or can’t get it through their skull that most feminists aren’t lesbians, and don’t hate men.